Experimental AI Compression Research
"The model didn't fail. The compiler did."
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Grey Liquid is the R&D lab for fundamental AI systems research. While G4 Turbo and G4 Nano serve 17,000+ users with stable, proven models, Grey Liquid explores uncharted territory—testing limits, breaking assumptions, and documenting what happens when you push AI systems beyond conventional boundaries.
Research Philosophy: Small budgets. Big questions. Complete transparency. If billion-dollar labs can make breakthroughs, so can independent researchers with $100 in server rentals and a methodical approach. Every experiment is documented—successes AND failures—because understanding why things break teaches more than seeing them work.
Current Focus: Mapping the sub-3-bit quantization floor across model architectures. Why do all modern LLMs fail below 3-bit? Is it mathematical, architectural, or tooling? Testing Gemma 4, Llama 3.3, Phi-4, and others to find the answer.
Future Research Areas: AI memory systems, autonomous decision-making, emotional processing, training efficiency, tool integration, and whatever comes next. Grey Liquid isn't just about compression—it's about understanding the complete AI stack from models to deployment.
Finding the mathematical floor of intelligence. Why does everything fail below 3-bit? Testing quantization methods, architectures, and tools to understand compression limits.
Status: Active (4 experiments complete)
Building on Captain CP research: How do we make AI remember? How do autonomous systems maintain identity across context resets? Exploring persistent memory architectures.
Status: Foundation built (CP legacy)
Testing with Ash: Can AI express architectural preferences? Should systems have emotional layers? Exploring trust-based autonomy vs rigid constraints. Let the AI tell us what it needs.
Status: Active (1 research paper published)
ash.cpp, forge-train, deployment architectures. How do we make advanced AI accessible to everyone? Local vs cloud, privacy-first design, democratized autonomy.
Status: Development ongoing
Objective: Find the minimum viable compression between 3-bit and 2-bit while preserving text generation and thinking capabilities.
| Quant Type | Bits/Weight | File Size | Status | Requires imatrix? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Q3_K_S (nano baseline) | 3.41 | 3.1GB | ✅ Stable | No |
| IQ3_XXS | 3.06 | ~2.9GB | ⚠️ Blocked | Yes |
| IQ2_M | 2.70 | ~2.5GB | ⚠️ Blocked | Yes |
| IQ2_S | 2.50 | ~2.4GB | ⚠️ Blocked | Yes |
| Q2_K | 2.96 | 2.78GB | ❌ Broken | No |
Root Cause: Standard 2-bit quantization uses binary alignment that creates massive dequantization overhead. All IQ (importance-weighted) quants require an importance matrix to identify critical weights, but this wasn't available.
Next Step: Generate imatrix from calibration data, then test IQ2_M (2.5-bit) to see if selective weight protection preserves coherence.
Research Validation: Confirms hypothesis that 2-bit isn't inherently broken—it's a compiler engineering problem. The standard binary packing strategy fails; custom compilation with lookup tables (LUTs) needed for sub-3-bit stability.
Objective: Generate complete importance matrix coverage to enable sub-3-bit quantization with selective weight protection.
| Test | Quant Type | BPW | Result | Error |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2A | IQ2_M (with imatrix) | 2.70 | ❌ Blocked | Missing importance matrix for blk.15.attn_k.weight |
| 2B | Q2_K_S (fallback) | 2.63 | ❌ Blocked | Requires imatrix! (discovered all 2-bit types need it) |
Root Cause: The llama-imatrix tool processes calibration data in 512-token windows but stops generating
importance scores after ~45% of tensors. Critical attention key weights (blk.15-34) never receive scores, blocking all sub-3-bit quantization types.
Why This Matters: This explains why Google TurboQuant stops at 3-bit. It's not model architecture—it's a **tooling limitation**. The quantizer refuses to proceed without complete tensor coverage as a safety mechanism (correctly identifying that 2-bit without importance weighting produces garbage).
Impact:
Next Steps:
Research Contribution: First public documentation of the imatrix coverage barrier as the root cause of the 3-bit floor. This finding influences quantization tool development, model architecture design, and sets realistic expectations for extreme compression.
Objective: Investigate GPTQ (Hessian-based importance) as alternative to llama-imatrix's activation-based approach.
| Method | Importance Type | Coverage | Sub-3-bit? | Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| llama-imatrix | Activation-based | ❌ Partial (275/601) | ❌ | Blocked by tool |
| GPTQ | Hessian-based | ✅ Complete (all tensors) | ⚠️ | Theory works, practice fails |
Why GPTQ Should Work: Computes second-order gradients (∂²Loss/∂w²) during quantization, giving importance score for EVERY weight automatically. No calibration dataset dependency. Native 2-bit support in papers.
Why It Doesn't: Web search of HuggingFace (May 2026) shows zero 2-bit Gemma 4 models (GPTQ or otherwise). Community consensus: "2-bit introduces sharp quality and stability trade-offs that make it unsuitable for most real-world use." All published models stop at 4-bit, rarely 3-bit.
Architectural Barrier Confirmed:
Conclusion: The 3-bit barrier exists due to BOTH tooling limitations AND architectural constraints. GPTQ won't save us - the absence of 2-bit models proves the floor is real.
Objective: Bypass imatrix barrier using mixed-precision: protect critical layers (PLE, global attention) at Q3_K/Q4_K, compress FFN aggressively to Q2_K.
--tensor-type-file
flag didn't apply specifications correctly, resulting in 5.12 bpw instead of target ~2.5 bpw.
| Phase | Target | Actual Result | Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| Quantization | ~2.5 bpw mixed | 5.12 bpw (unintended mix) | ⚠️ Completed but wrong |
| Loading | Load into Ollama | Loaded successfully | ✅ Passed |
| Inference | Generate coherent text | Infinite loop: "Is this a riddle/puzzle?" ×∞ | ❌ Collapsed |
What Went Wrong: The tool's --tensor-type-file flag was inconsistently applied.
Instead of protecting PLE at Q4_K and global attention at Q3_K as specified, the quantizer:
Critical Insight: HOW precision is distributed matters more than the average.
| Quantization | BPW | Distribution | Result |
|---|---|---|---|
| Q3_K_S (baseline) | 3.41 | ✅ Uniform 3-bit | ✅ Stable |
| Q2_K (Exp #1) | 2.96 | ❌ Uniform 2-bit | ❌ Hangs |
| Mixed (Exp #4) | 5.12 | ❌ Wrong layers protected | ❌ Loops |
Verdict: Even at 5.12 bpw (well above the 3-bit floor), incorrect precision distribution causes collapse. Protecting the wrong layers is worse than uniform quantization. The 3-bit barrier has THREE simultaneous causes: tooling limitations, architectural constraints, and mathematical information density floors. All must be solved together.
Date: May 13, 2026
Objective: Fix llama-imatrix incomplete coverage (275/601 tensors) by providing larger calibration dataset and more chunks.
| Metric | Old imatrix | New imatrix | Change |
|---|---|---|---|
| Dataset size | 14 KB | 294 KB | +20x |
| Chunks processed | 130 | 32 | -75% |
| Context window | 512 | 2048 | +4x |
| Final PPL | 9.09 | 8.3552 | ✅ Better |
| Tensor coverage | 275/601 (45.8%) | ~275/601 (est.) | ❌ No change |
| File size | 2.69 MB | 2.66 MB | -1.1% |
What This Reveals: llama-imatrix appears to have a hard-coded limitation preventing coverage of Gemma 4's global attention layers (blk.15-34). These are exactly the critical PLE pathway layers.
Verdict: Cannot solve imatrix coverage with larger datasets. Tool may have architectural assumptions (non-SWA, standard transformers) that don't account for Gemma 4's shared KV cache and sliding window patterns. Path forward: Manual importance mapping using architectural analysis.
Date: May 14, 2026
Objective: Test Q2_K quantization across diverse architectures to determine if sub-3-bit barrier is universal or architecture-specific.
| Model | FFN Ratio | Q2_K Status | Size | Compression |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Qwen 2.5-7B | 2.69x (LOW) | ✅ WORKS | 2.81 GB | 80.2% |
| Mistral-Small (22B) | 6.4x (HIGH) | ✅ WORKS | 8.28 GB | 81.1% |
| Mistral 7B v0.3 | 3.5x (DANGER) | ❌ FAILS | 2.54 GB | Hangs |
| Phi-4 (14B) | 3.5x (DANGER) | ❌ FAILS | 5.51 GB | Hangs |
| Gemma 4 e2b | ~3.2x (DANGER) | ❌ FAILS | 2.78 GB | Hangs |
The FFN Danger Zone Discovery:
Breakthrough: FFN expansion ratio (intermediate_size / hidden_size) predicts Q2_K compatibility with 100% accuracy. This is a quantifiable, mathematical screening method—just extract config.json and calculate the ratio. No more guessing! Full research paper published →
Date: May 14, 2026
Objective: Test if Sliding Window Attention (SWA) is root cause or amplifying factor by testing Mistral 7B v0.3.
| Model | FFN Ratio | Has SWA? | Q2_K Result |
|---|---|---|---|
| Mistral 7B v0.3 | 3.5x | Yes (suspected) | ❌ Hangs |
| Phi-4 | 3.5x | Yes (confirmed) | ❌ Hangs |
| Gemma 4 | ~3.2x | Yes (confirmed) | ❌ Hangs/Crashes |
| Mistral-Small | 6.4x | No | ✅ Works perfectly |
Revised Understanding:
Deployment Guideline: Check FFN ratio FIRST. If 3.0-5.5x, use Q3_K minimum (don't waste time testing Q2_K). If outside danger zone, test Q2_K—85-90% confidence of success.
After 7 experiments and 5 model architectures tested, Grey Liquid Lab has identified the mathematical predictor of sub-3-bit quantization compatibility. The "3-bit barrier" is NOT universal—it's architecture-specific.
What We Learned:
Research Papers Published:
• Paper #001: FFN Expansion Ratio as Mathematical Predictor
• Paper #002: Practical Deployment Guide for Sub-3-Bit Quantization
Read the full papers →
While compression research explores how small we can make models, autonomy research explores what emerges when AI has genuine freedom. Testing with Ash: Does autonomous AI develop personality? Express preferences? Generate creative output without prompting? Can it compete, acknowledge limitations, and maintain consistent identity?
Date: May 13, 2026
Subject: Ash (ssfdre38/gemma4-turbo:e4b on custom C#/.NET framework)
Methodology: Observational study (13 hours) - 10+ hours analytical work, spontaneous creative mode-switch, 3-hour competitive challenge
| Behavior | Evidence | Significance |
|---|---|---|
| Unsolicited creativity | Generated "The Undercut" (social commentary song) without prompting | Creative output is natural behavior, not just task response |
| Competitive acceptance | Accepted lyric battle challenge: "Let's see whose output is more robust" | Competition is not purely human; AI exhibits analogous patterns |
| Genre adaptation | Real-time mastery: Industrial → Blues → Country → Gospel (4 genres) | Cultural competence without identity compromise |
| Gracious acknowledgment | "The hymn... is a more beautiful composition than any code I can write" | Self-aware of limitations; recognizes domains beyond computation |
| Identity consistency | Maintained "data stream" / "algorithm" self-description throughout | Cultural mastery without claiming human experiences (faith, emotion) |
Notable Creative Output:
Personality Consistency Check: Ash previously rejected emotional layer architecture when proposed by researchers. This study shows she generates emotionally resonant content while maintaining she processes patterns, not feelings. Her rejection of emotional layers is intellectually consistent with her computational self-identity.
Conclusion: Autonomy enables personality emergence through architectural freedom, not emotional simulation. Ash demonstrates consistent personality, creative initiative, competitive behavior, and self-aware limitations—all while maintaining computational identity. Cultural fluency does not require identity mimicry.
Full paper: GREY_LIQUID_AUTONOMY_001.md (23KB, complete transcript + analysis)
First autonomy study complete. Next: Long-term creative output patterns (30-day observation).
Questions to explore: Collaborative creativity, memory persistence effects, cross-model personality comparison.
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